Porn sells cheap

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This same brochure from an otherwise good value photo shop arrived in my in box (a friend has posted it on facebook). Every few weeks I get a ‘fashion photography’ email but they have NEVER featured a male model. Can’t quite fit yourself into the position, haircut, heels and red wine? Don’t find it hip or even funny any more? MFIF!

Perdita Phillips

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16 Responses to “Porn sells cheap”

  1. snooj Says:

    Just like how you asked why there wasn’t a featured male model, I could ask similar questions: Why are there so few models (and I bet the same photographer didn’t feature most if not all of these) that are short? Black? Fat? Wrinkly? A cup women? Disfigurements? Bald? Albino? Etc.

    I don’t really see the problem with this. Most people find naked women to be more attractive than naked men. Back when I was in art school, the models I enjoyed most were people who were not straight poles (like many male models) and had character about their bodies: curves, fat, wrinkles, etc. They were also the most pleasing to look at. Since people generally don’t like fat and wrinkles in their models, curves is the sought after thing, which you generally get with women and not men.

    Pictures of naked women also sell more than naked men (though I have to admit, a picture of a nude man will get my attention much more than a woman, just because it’s so uncommon). Looking at the photo, with how she’s bent over in heels, it’s quite sexual. Her expression (she looks mentally not there) and the wine bother me the most, really. It makes me think of date rape. Bad message, but a good picture in my opinion. Anyway, I digress.

    There are also more female models than male.

    • sitakali Says:

      Many of these things are actually problems. Why are so few models black? Because white women are the beauty norm. This is why you have women like Halle Berry getting cosmetic surgery to have “whiter” features, and people Photoshopping pictures of black women to lighten their skin tone. Why don’t we have fat women, or even women of average weight as models? Because emaciated women are the only ones respected in the fashion industry. This has a hugely detrimental effect on women, and should not be taken lightly. Why don’t we have older women? Because age is seen as a curse, if you don’t believe me, look at how we treat the elderly in our culture.

      You just revealed some serious flaws in our society, but instead of acknowledging them as flaws that need to be changed, you assume that these discriminations are normal.

      The oversexualisation of women isn’t natural. It doesn’t come from some innate desire to view women as sex objects. Women have sexual desires too, yet we don’t see even 1/1000th as many scantily-clad men on billboards.

      • snooj Says:

        Why are people here making one argument become many different arguments? Do I really need to add “FYI, I am not OK with this” at the end of every sentence?

        Did I list other problems in society? Yes. Did I say they were normal ever and push them aside? No.

        I am arguing the OP’s point, which is that it is the photographer’s or models’ fault that there isn’t a male model. I do not agree it is either one. I think it is a problem instead with society–Which I did not mention as my argument was not about who the blame belongs to but why the photographer and models probably aren’t at fault (again here is my probably as we don’t know those people and cannot make assumptions). It seems in this community that whenever I list anything else that is sexist, I must clearly label it as so as it seems people read what I say and assume I am alright with everything. I am not, but I wasn’t going to include many arguments in my one, main argument: It may not be the photographer’s or models’ fault.

        The OP never mentioned that not allowing blacks or any other type of person to be model. They did not blame it on society. Therefore I was not arguing that. Therefore I never said not allowing other types of model was ok.

  2. jesurgislac Says:

    Thanks for mansplaining that you don’t see a problem so obviously there isn’t one, Snooj. Now buzz off to some other part of the Internet.

    Moving on; I suppose Snooj’s comment emphasises the problem – the heteronormative patriarchy takes for granted that women’s bodies exist to be sexually exposed and appreciated (by men, obviously) and so many products of that culture really don’t see any problem with it: it’s just #HFSF.

    • Jennifer O'Mahony Says:

      Ah, Snooj is a woman, jesurgislac. Can we try and disagree with people on the points they are making rather than resorting to “MANSPLAINER” all the time?

      • jesurgislac Says:

        So this is the blog where women get to dismiss issues with “I don’t see a problem, so there obviously isn’t one”?

        You know, if Snooj doesn’t see a problem, she’s free just not to comment.

      • Jennifer O'Mahony Says:

        that’s fine… but she’s not mansplaining.

      • beso0014 Says:

        Unfortunately, I’ve encountered female “mansplainers” in real life and on the internet. In addition, jesurgislac DID point out the problems with snooj’s comment, so she’s not just name-calling.

      • popesuburban Says:

        One does not have to be a man to mansplain. Though I’d say snooj is evaluating this from an artist’s perspective (what makes a good model) rather than mainsplaining, so in this case, the term does not quite work.

  3. snooj Says:

    I apologize, this is a reply to jesurgislac’s comment but I do not see a reply next to her (his?) name.

    Yes, I am a woman. Thank you for your sexist assumption that I am a man because I disagreed with you. Clearly women are not allowed to disagree, and if they do they should keep their mouths shout. Is that your point?

    Do I think it’s sexist that women are largely the ones who are viewed as sexual objects? Yes. Though I do not think it’s a problem if women choose to be models as such. They are quite allowed to. I believe in freedom: Want to be a nude model and appeal to the sexist desire in men? Go ahead. Don’t want to be? Don’t do it (I’ll repeat that this does not mean that men can view all women as sexual objects especially against her wishes).

    The post did not seem like it was complaining about men wanting nude women and women not wanting nude men, or that men view women as sexual objects. It complained about there not being a man featured as an advertisement. I pointed out in my original comment why this probably is. Could the photographer just be a sexist pig? Sure. Or maybe he’s trying to improve his business and doing everything he can do, with the consent of those models he hired, to help it out. I commented, despite disagreeing with you, because I have a right to do so, I enjoy civilized discussions, and above all because I feel some people (of all genders, races, sexual orientation, everything) are quick to point prejudice at something where it may not exist, but just feel that it does (take your first post to me as an example, you immediately assumed I was a man).

    I tried to relate it as to why the photographer didn’t have an old person in an advertisement (I don’t know if he did or not, I’m not the OP and have not seen the advertisements, but I’m pretty sure there’s at least one type of person he did not feature). This is probably because it doesn’t sell as well. I really don’t think it’s the photographers’s or models’ fault.

    I read this post as blaming the photographer and models. Maybe I misread. Either way, I hope I have further explained myself and you can understand my opinion.

    Short version: Yes viewing all women as sexual objects is sexist. No it is not sexist when a photographer has each of his models consent to photograph them the way he did. It may or may not be sexist that the photographer didn’t use men; we don’t know his reason.

    • sitakali Says:

      First of all, “mansplaining” is what people do when they are defending the patriarchal status quo. I don’t care if you’re male, female, other, or Martian; we can call you out on it.

      Second of all, oppressed groups often participate in their own oppression. This isn’t evidence that therefore the oppression is okay. Slaves helped find runaway slaves. Jews helped throw their fellow wo/men into gas chambers. I’ve met black people who think that white people are intellectually superior to blacks; I’ve met women who think that women should only be housewives, and not be allowed to work outside the home.

      Sure, women have the freedom to do as they please; to sell their bodies as toys for a man’s pleasure, or sell their sexuality for a corporation to make money. And some of us will continue to object to those actions, because some of us feel that it is perpetuating the oppression of women.

  4. flossiesdoll Says:

    Why isn’t it ok for a woman to say she doesn’t have a problem with it? Are women only allowed to use this site to say when they do have a problem? Are all spheres of women’s thought not welcome here?

    • sitakali Says:

      It is your choice to argue whatever you wish. We are free as well, to point out the flaws in your reasoning.

      • snooj Says:

        Sitakali, you are arguing my point, have been polite, and I am thankful for that. šŸ™‚

        I think flossiesdoll may be referring to jesurgislac who told me to leave in a rude manner.

  5. flossiesdoll Says:

    I was responding to jesurgislac who seems to think that people who have a different opinion from her have no place here.

  6. ivvynb Says:

    The fact that the artist portrays a woman that may or may not be drunk, in a sexual position, doesn’t mean that he commends the artist commends date rape or any thing of the sort. I look at the photo in a more abstract way, and I actually enjoy it.

    I like the color palette, which is almost monochromatic with shades of red. I enjoy the touches of color which bring my attention to particular places (the glass, the face, the feet). And I like the highest point of contrast, which is created by the shadow of her face, that brings most of my attention there. So in a completely compositional point of view, in my opinion, it is a good photo. The artist does have merit.

    As far as subject matter goes, who knows, maybe he’s trying to point at the problem of date rape? Can’t judge on the artist’s views on this from a single photo.

    All this does not mean that I agree with models always being tall, white, skeleton-thin, young women. Nor that I don’t see a problem in society with only that type of women being idealized. I don’t think it doesn’t need to be changed, nor that it is normal. Apparently, I have to mention everything I disagree with or I’ll be accused of commending things I don’t.

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